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@kinda looks like they are breeding to all different kinds of hens to one cock to combine them all into 1.
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@Well it would be half the cock and 1/8 each hen from original breedings. I guess it would depend on which pullets you used to inbreed to determine most of the traits. I dont really know its intresting for sure. Make somthing one of a kind for sure.
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I look at this and wonder what is the goal. It’s not making sense to me.
You must first determine your goal, and design your breeding program to meet that goal.
That is how I create the Founders Program, the Transformation Program, the Improvement Program and the Preservation Program. They all have a specific purpose, and they have a clear path to an end result.
Most breeders, and many here on the Breeders Academy require the Foundation Program.
I would really like to talk with the breeder who created this breeding plan. I would like to hear his explanation. That would make a good Bred to Perfection Episode too.
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@Before joining the breeders acadamy, i would breed a pure cock to pure hens from other breeds and line breed back to cock from different offspring. It work pretty good if you dont have the hens side, but i feel that if id have inbred after maybe 7/8 the cocks blood the genes would have been tighter. Hindsight is 20/20 .
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@I have a question lets say you get a trio of the same family from a breeder and single mate the cock to both hens. Now when you are on the next step and your looking to inbreed brother sister, would half brother half siater be as affective if they are the right confermation and color?
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Hey Brooks,
If the trio from that breeder are looking good, acting good, and performing well, and they are well-bred and uniform, I would not do an inbreeding program. I would breed the cock to those hens, and the next breeding season, use an “Improvement Program.”
Start by line-breeding the best daughters to the main cock, and the best stags back to their mother. That is phase 1 and 2 of the Improvement Program. If they are progressing as expected, at 15/16 or 7/8’s we would move to phase 3, the line-crossing program. We will breed the cocks line to one of the hens line, and the other hens line to the cocks line. No outside blood! There is more to the program, but this will get you started in the right direction.
In this situation, I would only use an inbreeding program if there is a lot of genetic diversity in the offspring. which would indicate that the parents are not related or are not pure.
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@Line breeding was my original plan but i have a small problem the original cock is very mean and i dont want to breed back to that trait. So i may line breed the gentle sons back to mothers but could i still use at least one inbreeding to create a seperate line of that family?
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@Also those different colored pullets come from that family so would they be the ones to inbreed to keep that trait. They are pure ive studied harold browns greys for most of my life the hens will come 3 different colors so far ive only seen 2 but stags and cocks come 2 colors some are very silver duckwing and the others have a very slight brown tint not brass just not as white or silver as the others they also will have the mascara eyes like hatch fowl, which i rly like. But for the most part uniform even when crossing you will get some sort of uniformity if the line you cross them to is also pure.
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You can inbreed or line breed to maintain and improve that trait. Just make sure you are using the right colored cocks. You may need to do various matings to find the right cock. Then breed that combination as much as possible. Numbers equal more “standouts”, which are the birds that will improve your strain the most.
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@I have 2 pullets that came that odd color so might breed 2 different stags about 14 months old or older so i know that they are the right ones to select and see which ones produce more of those colored pullets. Right now im thinking a full brother and a half brother that i think will have a higher cance of throwing them. Im going to save the mascara eyed stag my 1st pick to make my normal colored greys they are my main priority as i know what ill get with them. Sound good mr Kenny?
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The chart above is how I initially had it stuck in my head and I had such a hard time getting past that. I had a mental block and just couldn’t see it. However, after having read the information from inside the breeders academy and contemplating it all, I have a completely different understanding. I guess in this case, the thought is best to best or seeing a good trait pop up, only to have it disappear in the next generation. In this case, you are stuck in the seed fowl stage forever and are blind to the 2 nd stage, where you begin to consolidate the good traits and really start to move forward. It’s like taking a 100 or 1,000 years of genetic diversity and adding 4 more years to it. When really you are at that point in which you could use the same 100 or 1,000 years of genetic diversity and by applying your breeding methods(working tools), start establishing the good traits. Once you comprehend that, your whole mindset changes from, “I can’t wait to see what I get this year” to “ I need to raise x number of chicks from that hen and rooster over the next several years, in order to have x number of those kind to select from”. Boy, let me tell you, those two lines of thought are on different ends of Kenny’s bell shaped curve. With a little time, patience, and perseverance I may even have chickens that fit together with exact nicety, in all their parts.
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