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April 10, 2023 at 1:03 PM #15534
So I am new to breeding and in my novice I wanted to have a wide gentic selection of birds so I sourced chicks from 3 different breeders. As I have dove into the breeders academy I have realized that was not necessary. I will grow out all the different groups separately from one another. My question is should I make different families from each group of chicks, focus on the best line, or select the top cockeral and hen regardless of which line they come from and start the founders program from those 2?
These are Delaware Chickens for FYI
Thanks in Advance to anyone with thoughts!
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April 13, 2023 at 9:13 PM #15541
AnonymousInactive@If you truly want to get as far ahead of the game as possible…your best bet is to save your money, find a breeder that has a family of birds that best fit the standard of their type, and only from a breeder that will tell you and has enough lineage of birds on their yard to show you. The main aspect that can hurt you is not knowing what faults are in that family. If you want a particular color that you can’t get a trustable breeder close by, then it may be that you just need to start with as good of fowl as you can of the variety you want.
Truly, you’re going to run them through the founders program and mold them yourself, but when having the option to start with superior fowl, I feel you should always choose the later.
You can be looking at one singular family, but if they aren’t truly locked in for their traits or if they are true to their type, you can see superior or non superior fowl. Don’t think of this as finding fowl that show some of what you are looking for, but think of it rather as finding fowl that overall are far superior.
It is important that you start by obtaining/buying the best seed fowl to start with. Yes you may only use them one time, but if you were to correctly breed and manage from on after that first pair, you will have a life time of birds. Once you have birds, you wish you only had good birds. The key is, again, start with as superior of birds as you can.
Yes you only need 1rooster and 1hen to begin, but if it were me-restarting all over with no fowl- once I knew what variety (color, etc.) and located the breeder and family of fowl I wanted, I would actually spend $2000 to buy 1 brood cock and 1 broodhen that are perfect, and then I would acquire as many pullets and stags as you can from that exact family, further more-from that exact line. Moving birds from one yard to another, no matter if you’re down the road or across the country, the birds will change over time, sometimes they will have genetic triggers or certain ones may show signs of weak immune system to your area. Just don’t throw in the towel. Your goal should be to find your 1 perfect cock and 1 perfect hen to start with. If you get lucky enough to be able to start more less right away into breeding your 1broodcock and 1 broodhen great. Your stags and pullets are your protection plan. I want to be clear though, for $2000 make it worth it. Look on their entire yard multiple times. Your biggest tool when doing this is looking for defects. You will find defects on their yard, maybe one…probably more. If you find someone with 1-2 strains and they never add blood, and their fowl shows few defects at all, and they are the type and variety you are looking for…$2000 just saved you a lifetime. It may seem like I’m crazy, but you would never regret starting your seedfowl from superior fowl. They need to be the best bird of their family. You should pretty much be talking the breeder out of his own broodfowl…breeders will practically give their culls and defects away once they are getting down to what they want for themselves, don’t be the one that pays hard earned money and waste your time starting with any defects or culls.
I wish the best of luck to you and your fowl future! Would love to know what type/variety you are interested most if you had to have just 1.
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April 14, 2023 at 5:18 AM #15542
So I am breeding standard poultry right now(Delaware, New Hampshire, and Barred Rock). I came from an agriculture background but mostly livestock, (cattle, hogs, and sheep). Poultry was always an afterthought growing up. I did breed exotic fowl in highschool and did well enough to pay for college but after that I got out of it. I have recently partnered up with 2 cousins to run a farm to table operation where we sell beef, pork, and chicken direct to consumer. What drew me to the Breeders academy was creating a family of fowl that would allow me to cut off the constant buying of chicks from breeders and hatcheries and to grow my own fowl to market to the public. So I am excited to make that happen!
With that being said I did have gamefowl at one point in time but I knew ABSOLUTELY NOTHING when it came to breeding or anything of the like. I probably could have had something great by now as that was 12 ish years ago and had at that point what were called “Clarets” in the wheaten pattern, “Pumpkin Hulseys”, “Warhorse”, and “Morgan Whitehackle”. However I had someone approach me and wanted to buy everything I had and at 20 years old the offer was hard to refuse since I didn’t really know what I had. If I were to get back into gamefowl I would probably go back to the gingers “Pumpkin Hulseys” or spangled whitehackles. We will see!
Thank You for your input!
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August 8, 2023 at 8:05 AM #15682
Jake,
I am also going to be breeding Delawares. If you find a good source for breedstock, would you mind sharing?
Thanks,
Stephen
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August 8, 2023 at 8:14 AM #15683
Stephen
I habe sourced chicks from 3 different breeders.
Deer Run Farm MD
Todd Morse NC
Erin Angulo CA
I started last year with the birds from Deer Run. I loved them. They were great body but lacked proper color.
For this year I started with 50 chicks each of the other 2. I think the West to East coast change for the birds from Erin negatively effected them and they have done quite poorly. In 14 weeks of grow out I have lost 14 to sickness. The birds from Todd are from a similar climate and they are going much better. Better growth, next to no sickness, they are very nice.
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